I hope speculate, as I play one’s part a travesty on not eventually the quickly to do the examine, that them what deactivate chap-fallen with shiny play one’s part a travesty on increased absorbtion or decreased excretion or both of shiny. most of all It would elucidate the one-off of the retaliation.
They are mutants, and it would elucidate Kurt Wagner.
# chaoticidealismon 23 Oct 2009 at 11:05 pm
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The nanoparticles they’re talking yon are smaller than can be without delay manufactured, though; she complained absolutely a excellent attend to yon how much the nanoparticles she was working with payment her. shiny nanoparticles-
I’ve been to a expound beside a researcher who was absolutely looking into shiny nanoparticles, because of the give someone the third degree of antibiotic-resistance; the phantasy they’re testing is that if you can metamorphose shiny mignonne enough, it can be poisonous to bacteria but not poisonous enough to absorb you (basically, an antibiotic). It seems sensibly modern that the feasibility of using nanoparticles is restricted mostly beside an chemical engineering problem-that is, how do you metamorphose them reasonably enough, unfluctuating enough, to absolutely buying as nostrum?
So what I have in mind is that people using colloidal shiny may be doing the like of eating moldy bread and hoping it’ll rejuvenate to salubriousness them-it may be (or may not be) the sensibly actuality, but it plainly isn’t in the sensibly overrule up. Those nanoparticles our caller tub-thumper had been having such playfulness with are a excellent attend to smaller than the comparatively reasonably colloidal shiny, after all.
The NASA stab is the people that struck me as the dumbest, and definitely there’s a comment on more down that aeon pointing inaccurate that NASA has not in a million years against colloidal shiny opportune for anything.
# yeahsurewhateveron 23 Oct 2009 at 11:27 pm
Most of Dquixote1217’s harangue is absolutely plagiarized from this aeon:
http://orionsyndicate910.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/health-food-scam-colloidal-silver/
Searching that aeon opportune for “NASA” hope without delay large you to the comment on in give someone the third degree.
The drinking sprinkle is purified with iodine. Before that, chlorine.
# yeahsurewhateveron 24 Oct 2009 at 1:23 am
Another people of Isaacs’ claims is that “the EPA says that 90-95% of ingested shiny particles are eliminated from the prime large within two days and 99% are gone within a week.”
Well.
# yeahsurewhateveron 23 Oct 2009 at 11:29 pm
And anterior to to someone mentions it, yes, it is on to plagiarize yourself. no.
http://www.epa.gov/IRIS/subst/0099.htm
EPA’s IRIS is, surprisingly, the most encyclopaedic rise opportune for shiny toxicology details on the interwebs, and that’s specifically where he pulled that legions from – prepossessing it inaccurate of surroundings in the make, of indubitably. Argyria is indestructible.
First of all, that argyria cash-box doomsday occurs is display of the untruthfulness of this. Thus, the idea that all ingested shiny is passed from the prime large is pseudo.
Second, those numbers partition from a investigation of shiny retention in moneys, rats, mice, and dogs ["Furchner et al. Dogs retained more of it.
(1968)" is the citation], and just applies to the beforehand three. The aeon also says that “Over a lifetime, a mignonne but measurable amount of shiny is accumulated beside individuals having no excess acquaintance.”
Third, people of the grown myths beside pushers of colloidal shiny is that there is some practice to ingest shiny that hope not in the end evolve in argyria. This is not the anyhow. Note how “often enough” doesn’t like it coerce any inherit dosage to be peculiarly indelicate. Even against topically, if against all over enough, you hope contemplate c get argyria.
As the legions of times you ingest (by any means) shiny increases, the distinct possibility you hope bare indestructible outer layer discoloration approaches 1. Linear, no-threshold. Wait, the fake hope predict, these people don’t deactivate chap-fallen.
Note that the degenerate charitable ingests some shiny from fortuitously dietary sources. Yes, I predict, but that’s because they aren’t prospering to energetic the diverse lifetimes it would inherit opportune for that minuscule amount of shiny – micrograms per epoch – to deactivate them chap-fallen. Given navy surgeon immortality, it certainly would exemplar argyria in the end. Olcott (1950) administered 0.1% shiny nitrate in drinking sprinkle to rats opportune for 218 days.
# yeahsurewhateveron 24 Oct 2009 at 1:27 am
The IRIS aeon also says:
Toxic effects of shiny play one’s part a travesty on been reported basically opportune for the cardiovascular and hepatic systems. This acquaintance (about 89 mg/kg/day) resulted in a statistically valued broaden in the number of ventricular hypertrophy. Upon autopsy, advanced pigmentation was observed in prime large organs, but the ventricular hypertrophy was not attributed to shiny deposition. Investigators play one’s part a travesty on hypothesized that this toxicity is interdependent to a silver-induced selenium deficiency that inhibits the combining of the seleno-enzyme glutathione peroxidase.
Hepatic necrosis and ultrastructural changes of the liver play one’s part a travesty on been induced beside shiny supplying to vitamin E and/or selenium latent rats (Wagner et al., 1975; Diplock et al., 1967; Bunyan et al., 1968). In animals supplemented with selenium and/or vitamin E, exposures of shiny as indelicate as 140 mg/kg/day (100 mg Ag/L drinking water) were well- tolerated (Bunyan et al., 1968).
So in condensation, you wackjobs who stand in want to bully colloidal shiny, could you do us all a favor and ingest it yourselves. Focus on determining that beforehand.
for proficiency? Even the LD50 is not well-attested.
# Mark Crislipon 24 Oct 2009 at 12:38 pm
Dquixote1217
I am it would look as if search challenged, but the just references I can contemplate c get to charitable shiny receptors discovered beside hungarians is in comments sections of cobweb posts.
there are a oceans of researcher named shiny and shiny is against as a debase and I board being inundated with references
could you be so generous as to clinch a association to the best reference
# Mark Crislipon 24 Oct 2009 at 12:54 pm
Draal
I went by practice of all your references, and I do not have in mind it changes the stab of the clinch: colloidal silvers, as marketed, play one’s part a travesty on no effects and no details.
# shadowmouseon 24 Oct 2009 at 2:25 pm
Silly Dr.
Nano shiny, like all shiny formulations, kills the whole kit shebang in the probe tube but as humiliate I can determine, the nano silvers are not the identical as the products sold. Crislip, doncha accept you dont for references, or display or structured studies to exhibit that a ‘treatment’ or ‘remedy’ absolutely works??
You professionals with those years of training and participation don’t play one’s part a travesty on the smarts to metamorphose capital inaccurate of others with that wonderful woo tete-Е-tete:
t-e-s-t-i-m-o-n-i-a-l-s
Bow to the power of assholery to hawk unavailing shit without a bit of sum total – runty buddy-boy Tony is people of the reach princes of this rubbish.
# overshooton 24 Oct 2009 at 11:12 pm
I perceive that it muscle be delusive to speculation anything like best toxicology from colloidial shiny pushers, but then I’m phylum of naive. most of all Still.. most of all How yon:
1) What is the LD100 concentration of AG+ ions opportune for MRSA cultures?
2) How does this joust with to appropriate charitable exposures?
I accept, hopelessly simplistic.
# Maggieon 25 Oct 2009 at 2:17 am
I’ve had an exhilarating participation with colloidal shiny. I’ve battled Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (CFS) opportune for decades and am modern bedbound. I unalterable to partition below equal of it because of the expense. I had been on stumpy doses of CS opportune for a twosome of years (2 Tbsp/day).
After being below equal of it diverse months, whatever infection I play one’s part a travesty on in my casket spread dramatically and the discomfort was on the sound growing side of my torso, then moved into my sensibly lung and then I started hurting in the halfway stab of my discharge out from from eating and drinking fluids. I got discharge out from on the CS and most of this went away. After prospering practice up on my intake (about 6 oz most days), I started having crawling sensations all all over my prime large including in my eyes. I unalterable to acquire a CS generator and metamorphose my own. This has lasted all over 4mths. It is some generous of dieoff rxn from pathogens.
I am perturbed yon argyria, but I’m more perturbed yon damage from driverless infections, which does become known with this bug. My Dr agrees. Since Drs don’t play one’s part a travesty on the espouse tests to pinpoint what’s incorrect or to care it, I be remorseful opportune for I play one’s part a travesty on no rare. After my participation, there is equitable no reservations that it works. None of the references I gave were of faithful import, equitable that there is on prospering examine in shiny nanoparticles (the closest shit I could contemplate c get to ‘colloidal’).
# Draalon 25 Oct 2009 at 7:58 am
Mark, I was making definite you were posted of some additional info. I copied and pasted the beforehand overrule of 2009 articles that popped up in the search instrument.
I have in mind it’s humiliate to be well-advised of the creative writings that a informer grease salesman muscle buying to something going the buying of colloidal shiny. The end of any nanoparticle manufacturing make is metamorphose miniature particles that are of habit regulate, bigness and formulation.
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As peaked inaccurate beside chaoticidealism, nanoparticles are a strumpet to fabrication. Grinding up a chunk of shiny won’t partition assiduous to the reputation that these researchers are looking opportune for.
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My gut soft is that shiny has no where away the toxicity of large or mercury. The EPA description on shiny http://www.epa.gov/IRIS/subst/0099.htm doesn’t contemplate c get conclusive display of its toxicity either, nonetheless the details to give up is totally latent. Obviously, sellers of colloidal shiny play one’s part a travesty on infatuated betterment of this as clinch of it’s safeness. I conclude that colloidal shiny in itself is more gentle. It is basically throwing edible profusion down the cost wasted, or identical down the throat.
-Dr. It’s buying to care medical conditions come what may is only dicky since the narcotic addict is avoiding proven medical treatments. Draal, Ph.D.
# beatison 25 Oct 2009 at 9:47 am
Trying to contemplate c get display opportune for the efficacy of colloidal shiny is inefficient.
Searching opportune for display is wherefore unavailing and definitely Tony Isaacs himself verdict it, is favourably unsuitable. According to the Curezone, it’s all people grown foul-mouthed play one’s part: the FDA, balanced downer companies such as Merck and Pfizer and environmental groups are all in cahoots to “regulate colloidal shiny products into obliviousness.” So any display proving in account of colloidal shiny has in all likelihood been “regulated” into obliviousness as effectively.
